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Healthy California Act SB 562

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    June 5, 2017 7:36:53 AM PDT
    Assemblyman Gallagher asks constituents for comment on Healthy California Act.
    https://lcmspubcontact.lc.ca.gov/PublicLCMS/SurveysDirect.php?district=AD03&survey=38104&
    The original Senate estimate was that the cost to taxpayers would be $400 billion.
    The financial study is out (https://youtu.be/d8xKnYYB684) , and findings show it would actually cost $331 billion, saving $70 billion while providing everyone with much better services like dental and vision
    Please read the youtube post and watch the 39 minute video, then reply to Assemblyman Gallagher.
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    June 5, 2017 8:42:27 AM PDT
    A $70 billion dollar "saving" would be great. The skeptical side of me, which has observed government projects for many decades, thinks the cost would be much high than the estimate. The optimist hopes for big savings; the realist in me thinks we'll see costs much high than current estimates.
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    June 5, 2017 9:09:09 AM PDT
    If you can, listen to the podcast from Armstrong & Getty's show today, 3rd hour about 1/2 way through. There's a guy they call "the Obamacare lawyer" who gave a great explanation about single payer healthcare, how it can work, where it works well, where it doesn't, and so on. He's all for single payer and it would put him out of business. Very interesting.
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    June 5, 2017 4:16:33 PM PDT
    I'm sorry about my lack of enthusiasm, but I was also told I could keep my doctor and my health insurance premiums would decrease under Obamacare.
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    June 6, 2017 11:53:21 AM PDT
    World wide health care as a percent of GDP

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS/



    World 9.836% .
    United States 17.1%



    State health expenditure in dollars from Kaiser Health

    http://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/health-spending-per-capita/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

    California $6238

    California population

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california-population/

    39,849,872 about 40 million

    California gross health expenditures population times per person outlay.

    $248.6 billion




    For additional statistical information CIA Factbook

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html



    Any health estimate cost greater than $248.6 billion per year, in my estimation, has a funny smell. Any estimates greater than $250 billion really stinks. I don't know where the Senate got their $400 billion estimate. Legislative Analysts Office has not weighted in on the topic of health costs from what I can find by Internet search.



    California SB 256
    World wide health care as a percent of GDP

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS/




    World 9.836% .
    United States 17.1%




    State health expenditure in dollars

    http://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/health-spending-per-capita/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

    California $6238

    California population

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california-population/

    39,849m872

    California gross health expenditures

    $248.6 billion




    For statistical information CIA Factbook

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html




    Any health estimate greater than $248.6, in my estimation, has a funny smell.

    World wide health care as a percent of GDP

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS/




    World 9.836% .
    United States 17.1%




    State health expenditure in dollars

    http://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/health-spending-per-capita/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

    California $6238

    California population

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california-population/

    39,849m872

    California gross health expenditures

    $248.6 billion




    For statistical information CIA Factbook

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html




    Any health estimate greater than $248.6, in my estimation, has a funny smell.




    World wide health care as a percent of GDP

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS/




    World 9.836% .
    United States 17.1%




    State health expenditure in dollars

    http://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/health-spending-per-capita/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

    California $6238

    California population

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california-population/

    39,849m872

    California gross health expenditures

    $248.6 billion




    For statistical information CIA Factbook

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html




    Any health estimate greater than $248.6, in my estimation, has a funny smell.



    CA SB 256 Healthy California Act Single payer

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_0801-0850/sb_810_cfa_20120126_145437_sen_floor.html



    House Resolution 676 Expanded & Improved Medicare For All Act

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

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    June 6, 2017 12:11:53 PM PDT
    2Grands said:
    A $70 billion dollar "saving" would be great. The skeptical side of me, which has observed government projects for many decades, thinks the cost would be much high than the estimate. The optimist hopes for big savings; the realist in me thinks we'll see costs much high than current estimates.

    2Grands, I agree. From my point of view, the discusion is not about health or who pays for health services. The discussion is how much mud politicians can sling at their opponents. And the politicians do not know who their opponencts are so they sling mud on everyone.

    Savings? Really?? I should have put my orignial post in quotes. The "saving" is an estimate of the difference between two estimates. None of the estimates are valid, in my opinion.

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    June 19, 2017 10:32:05 AM PDT
    How did the United States get into this mess? The mess of "healthcare", which is more about guaranteed annual income for insurance executives, political lobbyists and "elected representatives"?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/opinion/health-insurance-american-medical-association.html?emc=edit_th_20170619&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=66809837