Forums » Community Watch

All Forums:  Advertisers | Book Club | Community Watch | General Discussion | Politics | Recipes | Support     New Topics & Replies

ramirez road

    • 1526 posts
    1
    February 26, 2017 9:21:38 AM PST

    Hard to even call ramirez a road anymore.  I noticed since I've been in loma rica for 10 yrs now, that narysville must be so broke....even their downtown streets are like county alleys.  But ramirez  from fruitland to honcut...jesus!  Hello county super, hello! Anyone home???

    • 342 posts
    2
    February 26, 2017 3:35:11 PM PST
    I agree 100%!! I have to take a horse to Chico once a month for an appointment and the last time I came home through town--it's getting really bad. Iowa City did not fair well in these storms, either. Or Fruitland between Loma Rica and Marysville Roads.
    • 1526 posts
    3
    February 26, 2017 7:37:41 PM PST
    Yes, and I go to chico 5 times/week approx. Go about 30mph on ramirez, at the fastest, or lose your alignment. It is REALLY bad. Fletcher, are you there??
    • 2564 posts
    4
    February 27, 2017 9:32:52 AM PST
    Jim Miller reports in the SacBee 2/17/17 on plans to raise taxes to pay for roads.
    In the range of $9 to $13 per month per car. Judging by the reaction to County Service Areas trying to tax themselves for road improvement, I think increase in taxes is doomed.
    John Coupal, Territorial Dispatch, George Runner, Tom McClintock and Howard Jarvis Tax Foundation will quash "new taxes".
    • 1526 posts
    5
    February 27, 2017 5:41:12 PM PST
    No taxes, eg: did you know 7.5 billion has been given to cal. for new dam and reservoir construction, yet that screwhead brown says we will have to be taxed some more for the items....again. They got the money....they just like to fool certain groups of people, of which I am not one. We already paid for ramirez road....we owe nothing and they owe us a decent road.
    • 2564 posts
    6
    February 27, 2017 7:03:57 PM PST
    coolbreeze said:
    No taxes, eg: did you know 7.5 billion has been given to cal. for new dam and reservoir construction, yet that screwhead brown says we will have to be taxed some more for the items....again. They got the money....they just like to fool certain groups of people, of which I am not one. We already paid for ramirez road....we owe nothing and they owe us a decent road.

    They? Who are the "they"?

    We? Who are the "we"?

    • 1526 posts
    7
    February 28, 2017 9:02:54 AM PST
    Looks like they patched one of every 10 chuckholes on part of ramirez, (not even the worst chuckholes), lousy job, one run by a truck easily empties the very loose asphault they put in the hole. Bunch of drunks, I swear.
    • 1526 posts
    8
    February 28, 2017 9:06:12 AM PST
    Jesus, "they" are the PIC (people in charge), or public works or roads dept, whatever handle they use. "We" are the taxpayers, the constituents, the residents, the users, of the roads such dept. is required by law to maintain.
    • 2564 posts
    9
    February 28, 2017 10:09:21 AM PST

    From a conversation of YubaFoothills.com

    http://yubafoothills.com/forums/topic/13315/-/post-create/quote_id/82310

    coolbreeze said:
    Jesus, "they" are the PIC (people in charge), or public works or roads dept, whatever handle they use. "We" are the taxpayers, the constituents, the residents, the users, of the roads such dept. is required by law to maintain.

    Coolbreeze, thanks for the response. I was hoping for more detail. Details like the name of the government entity responsible for financing the road. The name and contact information for the government entity responsible for building and maintaining the road.




    To me, there are two aspects of being "in charge". One aspect is technical the other aspect is financial. Technical deals with the "catalog number". The "catalog" is a list of roads that identify the design, build and repair to meet a level of service. Catalog is my term. The government entity in charge has a different name for their inventory of responsibility.




    The other aspect is financial. Financial deals with how to get the money to pay the technical people to get that level of service.




    Inspect the signs (stop, caution, delineators) along the road. There will be a County Road number, or state road number or federal road number or sign number and maybe a date of installation. Use that number to determine who is in charge.




    County roads come in two financial flavors.




    The first financial flavor is County Service Areas and Community Service Districts. Charters granted by government to developers to build roads to serve communities. No road, no building. Financing to come from property owners along the road. Traffic on those roads are for the property along the road. Think of these as "toll roads". Except the toll is collected in one lump sum every year, instead of on a trip by trip basis. Technical aspects, such as load bearing, drainage, surface roughness, snow clearing are not as stringent as the demands on roads intended for use by heavy trucks, large volume of traffic, Traffic for all hours of the day or night. Traffic to support Casinos, recreation areas and the like.




    The second financing flavor is "public" roads. County, State and Federal roads. Roads available to and used by businesses, homes, churches, schools, hospitals, fire engines, commercial delivery. Money to build and maintain these roads comes from fuel taxes and user fees. Tolls, parking fees, vehicle licenses, excise taxes on tires, vehicle parts and the like.

    Sarcasm warning: Californians can afford anything as long as someone else pays for it.

    To my way of thinking, what is missing is conversation between the technical people and the financial people. The interpreter between the two is an elected official. A person who understands only one thing. A person whose job is to get elected. A person who does not have to understand finance or engineering. A person who can tell the public just about anything as there is no way to determine if they are telling the truth or the "truth as they know it". Truth can be verified and replicated. "Truth as they know it" is repeatable only if the same person is re elected. Sarcasm off.

    The public usually only talks to elected officials. Not the technical people, not the financial people. Yuba County does not have any Federal roads. Yuba County has the second least mileage of state roads. CA 20, 65, 70 (San Francisco has the least). Yuba County does get some federal money for roads used to haul timber and maybe aggregate. That leaves County Roads, CSA and CSD roads. Plus some roads used by corporations. I am sending this message to the people I know that deal with roads or finance. Perhaps they can find an interpreter to translate engineer jargon to financial mumbling into something that mere mortals can understand. Something simple like "if you want it bad, expect to get it bad". Or "this is what it costs, this is where we get the money." "There isn't enough money to do all the things the public wants. What can we cut and still get re elected?"
    • 2564 posts
    10
    February 28, 2017 10:27:40 AM PST
    George Runner and the Board of Equalization and Howard Jarvis Tax Association:
    https://mail.aol.com/webmail-std/en-us/suite
    Infrastructure Crisis

    Recent storms in California reveal a long-known truth: our state’s roads and infrastructure have been badly neglected. Mismanagement of public revenues and misplaced priorities—such as the $68 billion high-speed rail project—will make it difficult to rebuild our way out of this problem.
    • 2564 posts
    11
    February 28, 2017 12:48:15 PM PST
    coolbreeze said:
    No taxes, eg: did you know 7.5 billion has been given to cal. for new dam and reservoir construction,

    Did I know that? 7.5 billion? Really?

    No, not until you told me. But is being given $7.5 billion the whole story?

    My experience with "federal money" transfered to states is that it comes with "gotchas". Strings attached. You have to cross tees and dot eyes in the exact way demanded by Snow White and the minions that wrote the request for proposal.

    You have to come up with matching money to prove that you, the entity accepting the federal money. are going to spend it the way the feds spell out. You have to use federal contracting rules and follow OMB Circulars.

    "Federal money" is a legal myth, a legal fiction. The money is collected from citizens according to a law passed by legislators. Then the feds give it back if you are willing to follow fed rules. If you don't follow the rules, then some other group that does follow the rules will get the money. Bottom line? If you want federal money, learn to play by federal rules. If you don't want federal money, but you still want to fund the project, collect the money yourself. And expect the Howad Jarvis group, the Board of Equalization, the Tea Party and Tom McClintock to tell you that government is bad. Don't let government have any money, ever, for anything.

    • 1526 posts
    12
    March 1, 2017 2:07:23 AM PST
    The only "gotcha" strings here is the EPA They have held up the reservoir and dam construction starts in the courts. Get a hold of some records and you'll be better informed.
    • 1526 posts
    13
    March 1, 2017 2:09:48 AM PST
    Oops, I was saying the only "gotcha" here is the EPA. They AND brown (which is why he "snuck" into the oroville dam catastrophy),
    have sucessfully blocked all new dam and reservoir construction starts. Look up some state and federal records. It''s all there
    • 15 posts
    14
    March 1, 2017 9:27:47 AM PST
    The State did appropriate funds to rebuild Ramirez Road, however, not that long ago the Board of Supervisors dedicated those funds to the new 5th St bridge. That bridge was seen as a more important facility and will be used by more motorists from both Yuba and Sutter than Ramirez Road. But the plans remain in place if more funds are found it was said at the BOS meeting.
    • 1526 posts
    15
    March 1, 2017 4:01:57 PM PST
    Oh, and we can see the great renovation of the 5th st bridge. What, how many times can you spin the fact that yuba county is very poorly managed. Fix the damn roads....all of them!
    • 1526 posts
    16
    March 2, 2017 3:59:43 AM PST
    The county has just fill;ed a lot of the holes on ramirez and iowa city roads. Good for them. It may just be patchwork, but it does solve some of the problems. You can go 40 mph now. At least they tried to do something. Thanks county.