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    March 18, 2016 8:01:58 PM PDT

    Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Party/NRA Logic:

     

    War? Yes!

     

    Torture? Absolutely!

     

    Execute People? You Bet!

     

    Abortion? No…I'm Pro-Life…

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    March 18, 2016 10:08:13 PM PDT
    So what's your point?
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    March 18, 2016 10:11:31 PM PDT
    So abortion is the same as war and torture and execution?
    You are right it is. None of the things on your list should be necessary. They are all a choice made by people.
    Sometimes they make it with very little regard of the consequences of their action and at other times it seems like the only option.
    Heart breaking really.
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    March 19, 2016 12:10:37 AM PDT
    So only Republicans vote for war? Let's see. Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Dianne Feinstein, John Kerry, and Harry Reid are among the 58% of Democratic senators who voted for the Iraq War (Iraq Resolution of 2002).
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    March 22, 2016 6:12:54 AM PDT
    people often reserve the right to be selectively moral
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    May 13, 2016 12:38:11 PM PDT
    More yuk-yuks from "family values" Conservatives:

    In September, Rep. Trey Radel voted for Republican legislation that would allow states to make food stamp recipients pee in cups to prove they’re not on drugs.

    In October, police busted the Florida Republican on a charge of cocaine possession.

    “It’s really interesting it came on the heels of Republicans voting on everyone who had access to food stamps get drug tested,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told BuzzFeed Tuesday. “It’s like, what?”
    Huffignton News Report
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    May 13, 2016 12:38:43 PM PDT
    Correction: Huffington News Report
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    May 13, 2016 4:46:51 PM PDT
    You are 100% correct - but did you attack Bill Clinton for his lack of morals? Were you consistent?
    Trump wants to change this nonsense in Congress; Hillary is one of them. Once again we see the something you don't like is one of the things Trump wants to change. Hanging on the the Democrat Party at all costs?
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    May 14, 2016 2:16:39 AM PDT
    Get ready quitewolf, when conservative Trump gets in office, he is going to cut all them freebies you"ve been getting. The country has now been put in such bad debt by your liberal's and the spineless Republican's, we can no longer afford for people to be sucking off the system and not pulling their weight!!
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    May 14, 2016 11:53:43 AM PDT
    Kibble, Do you ever refrain from adding a personal attack from your posts towards those who disagree with you, or post counter information?
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    May 15, 2016 6:46:59 PM PDT
    CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN TURTLE HEAD MCCONNELL—BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.

    Worth 36 million [amassed while on welfare—taxpayers subsidies for Congressmen and their families]; runs the laziest Senate in history; has voted 6 times to raise his own salary.


    HAS VOTED 16 TIMES AGAINST RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE.

    Vote with a true conscience---Vote Liberal. Vote Democrat. Vote for the poor and working poor. Vote Blue.

    Don't let blind bigotry and hate have you voting against your own interests.
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    May 15, 2016 7:08:12 PM PDT
    Another reason Trump is popular.
    The establishment needs to go. I think the marketplace should establish wages. What the employer pays is between the employee and employer. Don't like it? Educate yourself and move along.
    Mitch McConnell needs to go.
    Once again we see the things you want can be accomplished by the private sector and encouraging growth and more jobs/more opportunity. Punish employers that use illegals. Trump can make the difference; Hillary won't.
    I told you it would be frustrating for you realizing the things you really want can only be achieved by someone who isn't beholden to donors and favor paybacks ("I'll have more flexibility after the election").

    BTW - have you done any investigating into the areas that have implemented $15.00 an hour minimum wage? The $15.00 an hour type entry level jobs are drying up and going away, putting more people out of work and the cities are losing revenue due to business closings and moves.

    Get yourself a nice cool drink, sit down, and ponder "Don't let blind bigotry and hate have you voting against your own interests". Those liberals are the problem, not the solution.
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    May 16, 2016 3:30:34 PM PDT
    Wendy's restaurants announced they are making kiosks available to their 6000 locations. It is in response to high minimum wage.

    This is why leaders vote against government wage rules.
    Ask bank tellers, operators, gas station attendants about technology. How about farmers using shakers instead of men?
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    May 23, 2016 12:48:21 PM PDT
    THE REPUBLICANS TRUE AGENDA FOR 2016

    Tax breaks for millionaires/billionaires and corporations (Welfare)
    War—specifically Iran
    End The New Deal—Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid/Medical and ALL safety nets for the working class
    End anything for the common good—Public education, parks, roads and prisons
    Deregulate all industries—Wall Street, Big Pharam, Oil, Insurance

    This can be called Neo-Nazi, Neo-Con, Fascist, Corporatists, Oligarchs, all the same, money flows to the Top as the Middle Class and the Poor take it in the shorts.

    Always been top Priority for the Conservatives/Republicans who represent only the rich and greedy; they are owned by Corporate America. They are the only ones that have benefited from all Policies since 2000, and really since the Days of Reagan and his disastrous "trickle down" policy which still infests the U.S.

    The Party of Scrooge—History of American Politics
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    May 23, 2016 1:01:06 PM PDT
    Funny - I know several, including myself, that didn't graduate college, didn't get a DUI or on drugs, started at the bottom and worked our way up. I'm now a 2% 'er due to trickle down economic. My employers shared as we worked to grow the overall business.
    The ones that want something for nothing are almost always the ones that complain as you do. I know too many that have made something from nothing because they worked instead of complaining. Some used their brains and some used their backs; some worked two jobs to get their education and some made without an education. Almost all the ones that failed were due to lack of effort or stupidity like drug use, DUI's, continually spending more than they made and being hopelessly in debt.

    The middle class has shrunken more under Obama than any other President.
    Get your facts straight, quietwolf. No one owes you thing.
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    June 1, 2016 10:38:04 AM PDT
    DEAR REPUBLICANS:

    1. Where is the Republican Alternative to the Affordable Health Care Act (Obama does care)?

    2. Why haven't you passed a single jobs bill in 8 years?

    3. Why do you think that a minimum wage of $7.25 is "too high"?

    4. Name a single thing that you have done to help the Middle Class, Seniors or Veterans?
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    June 1, 2016 10:42:42 AM PDT
    The questions above are address to the current Conservative/Republican/Tea Party Congress by New Century Times
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    June 1, 2016 12:04:54 PM PDT
    quietwolf said:
    DEAR REPUBLICANS:
    1. Where is the Republican Alternative to the Affordable Health Care Act (Obama does care)? 
    Republicans, at least some, have wanted to open up the marketplace across state lines to increase competition and availability of more plans. 
    2. Why haven't you passed a single jobs bill in 8 years?
    As I have stated, the Republican establishment has failed and thus the rise of Trump. The Republicans gained a majority the last election and have not performed as promised. They need to be voted out. 
     3. Why do you think that a minimum wage of $7.25 is "too high"?
    It isn't that any amount is too low or too high, it is the fact that governmental interference never does as good of job as allowing the market place to determine wages. Wages should be an agreement between employer and employee; both coming to agreement on the salary for the services provided by the employee. 

    4. Name a single thing that you have done to help the Middle Class, Seniors or Veterans?
    Fighting Obamacare, fighting for less regulation, fighting against inflated and unrealistic wage regulation from the Democratic government, fighting shovel ready BS jobs, fighting trains to nowhere that are nothing more than getting money to unions, fighting to be energy independent....

     

    The Republicans are not happy with what the incumbents have done. Again, this is why the rise of Trump. The system for both parties, the PAC's, the lobbyists, are all very corrupt. 

     

    Where you are making your mistake is just because Republicans are unhappy with both Democrats and Republicans it does not mean they have abandoned their values of individual freedom, the freedom to be all you can be, strong borders, strong military, LEGAL immigration, 2nd Amendment and more - the things that our founders put forward. 

    This is what the liberal media and the Republican establishment have failed to recognize or refuse to recognize. The silent majority is mad as hell. Many Democrats are just as angry which has given rise to Bernie Sanders. The whole game is being re-written this election. 

     

    I'm surprised you're not mad at your own party as they have failed you much worse than the Republicans have failed theirs. You give your own failed leadership a pass which is very odd. 

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    June 4, 2016 7:34:43 PM PDT
    WHAT CAN AMERICA LEARN FROM DENMARK?


    Ranked Number 1 for business by Forbes

    $20 minimum wage negotiated by Unions

    2 of 3 Workers represented by Unions

    Free healthcare, education and training

    Ranked #1 in the world for least corruption

    Seven times less childhood poverty than the U.S.

    Third Happiest Country in the word.

    Stop focusing on labels like "Socialist" and start making Capitalism work for average Americans again.

    Occupy Democrats


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    June 4, 2016 7:55:40 PM PDT
    quietwolf said:
    WHAT CAN AMERICA LEARN FROM DENMARK? Ranked Number 1 for business by Forbes $20 minimum wage negotiated by Unions 2 of 3 Workers represented by Unions Free healthcare, education and training Ranked #1 in the world for least corruption Seven times less childhood poverty than the U.S. Third Happiest Country in the word. Stop focusing on labels like "Socialist" and start making Capitalism work for average Americans again. Occupy Democrats

     

    Maybe the Democrats should do a little fact checking before posting.

    http://www.snopes.com/denmark-socialism-brutal-meme/

     

    Of course, feel free to move there if you think the grass is greener. 

     

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    June 4, 2016 7:59:40 PM PDT
    Here's more.....
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-gordon/what-the-news-in-the-us-t_b_5442945.html

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/10/16/memo-to-bernie-denmark-isnt-quite-what-you-think-it-is/#4b2d546f7d81


    This is what happens when you buy what the liberal media tells you instead of thinking for yourself.

    Thanks again, QW...you're help to drive more people to Trump as you illustrate the lies we're being fed by the left and the liberal media.

    Trump isn't perfect by any means but he a darn sight better than anyone else in this election.
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    June 5, 2016 6:15:20 PM PDT
    Here are some facts that the liberals like to ignore about Bill and Hillary. Only a fool would ask for a murderous, backstabbing. possibly treasonous, lying snake to be our President.

    THE CLINTON DEAD POOL

    1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

    2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder ...happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

    3 – Vince Foster – Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

    4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller committed suicide.

    5 – C. Victor Raiser, II – Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

    6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “dear friend and trusted advisor”.

    7 – Ed Willey – Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

    8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

    9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas

    10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..

    11 – Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

    12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

    13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

    14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

    15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

    16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
    17 – Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter, investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

    18 – Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

    19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington ,Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

    20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death: Unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, naked body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

    21 – Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

    22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ‘s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

    23 – Barry Seal – Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.

    24 – Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

    25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

    26 – Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.

    27 – Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

    THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

    28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

    29 – Keith McMaskle – Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

    30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

    31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

    32 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes”.

    34 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

    THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD
    35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
    36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds
    37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley
    38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel
    39 – Major General William Robertson
    40 – Col. William Densberger
    41 – Col. Robert Kelly
    42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes
    43 – Steve Willis
    44 – Robert Williams
    45 – Conway LeBleu
    46 – Todd McKeehan

    Not Included in this list are the 4 men killed in Benghazi.

    Not the kind of person I want in charge of my country.

    GOD BLESS THE USA.
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    June 8, 2016 1:00:57 PM PDT
    SO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO STOP GIVING POOR PEOPLE "FREE STUFF"?


    Funny you don't care about the 70 Billion a year we spend on subsidizing [Welfare] Wall Street Banks

    The 38 Billion in subsidies [Republican Entitlements] given to oil companies

    The 2.1 Trillion that Fortune 500 companies are stashing abroad to avoid paying U.S. Taxes [True Welfare Fraud]

    And the 153 Billion a year we spend to subsidize [More Conservative/Republican Welfare] McDonald's and Walmart's Low-Wage Workers

    ??????????????????
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    June 8, 2016 1:46:23 PM PDT
    quietwolf said:
    SO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO STOP GIVING POOR PEOPLE "FREE STUFF"? Funny you don't care about the 70 Billion a year we spend on subsidizing [Welfare] Wall Street Banks The 38 Billion in subsidies [Republican Entitlements] given to oil companies The 2.1 Trillion that Fortune 500 companies are stashing abroad to avoid paying U.S. Taxes [True Welfare Fraud] And the 153 Billion a year we spend to subsidize [More Conservative/Republican Welfare] McDonald's and Walmart's Low-Wage Workers ??????????????????
    Here we go again:
    Wall Street banks that are giving Hillary millions of dollars to get her elected and you complain about Trump? Do you realize how ludicrous that makes your complaint about Republicans? 
    Low wage workers: No one forces a person to work at any job. What happened to personal responsibility to make yourself able to do more than entry level work? What about having a clean record, being presentable, being able to speak properly, able to to do minimal tasks like make change without a computer, and so on? 
    The government trying to artifically inflate wages (then they get more payroll taxes) has never worked. 
    Stashing moeny overseas: Have you not heard Trump saying our tax system needs to be changed so those taxes and revenues stay in America and don't go overseas? Changes to our tax system and regulations so companies don't leave America? 
    Once again, the things you want to see changed are the things TRUMP wants to address. You can achieve your desires by voting for TRUMP - not Hillary!! 
    The part you don't understand or refuse to understand is you don't have to give up your views or values to vote for Trump. He happens to have an "R" behind his name but he wants to do the things you want done. Most intelligent people will vote for the candidate that presents the best opportunity to uphold their values and beliefs. 

     

    All the things you've complained about and want to have happen  - only one candidate is willing to tackle them head on if they've even been mentioned at all. Only one candidate isn't beholden to donors and political favors both here and abroad. Hillary's on the take and on the take for a long time. Is that what you think is best? 

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    June 8, 2016 2:28:43 PM PDT
    I've often wondered who Donald Trump's supporters are;
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/who-are-donald-trumps-supporters-really/471714/
    and Hillary Clinton's supporters;
    https://newrepublic.com/article/131762/hillary-voter
    Makes a person ponder.
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    June 8, 2016 8:19:39 PM PDT
    I found it interesting that Hillary gave a speech on income Inequality while wearing a 12 thousand dollar jacket.
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    June 11, 2016 5:40:43 PM PDT
    YES, I'M AN EXTREMIST


    I'm extremely against child poverty

    Corruption

    Anti-Science ignorance

    Student debt

    Discrimination

    Racism

    Corporate polluters

    Money in politics

    Predatory banks

    Inaction on Climate Change

    And the selling off of our government to the highest bidder.

    Occupy Democrats.


    In other words, I'm against everything the Conservatives/Republicans/Tea Party stand for.
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    June 11, 2016 11:09:38 PM PDT
    No, you're not for things that go against the Right; you're just misinformed and refuse to see truth. You are Hillary and Obama's low-informed base.
    Sad thing is you will only learn the hard way.
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    June 13, 2016 3:42:25 PM PDT
    Statistical proof that gun control has reduced gun deaths in countries around the world is something that a significant number of those polled have given up attempting to break down for morons.

    Andy Borowitz

    Yet another massacre brought to you by the 6-Ring Circus which includes the NRA-Ammosexual gun suckers.
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    June 13, 2016 5:15:38 PM PDT
    There is plenty of factual evidence and statistics to show countries and areas with gun control have higher crime rates.

    But - facts were never important to the left and their agenda.
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    June 13, 2016 6:27:51 PM PDT
    2Grands said:
    “ But - facts were never important to the left and their agenda.”
    Nor do facts seem to be important to persons included. However, I have noticed “facts” being misconstrued.
    Fact: “… the major surveys completed in the past 20 years or more provides no evidence of any relationship between the total number of legally held firearms in society and the rate of armed crime. Nor is there a relationship between the severity of controls imposed in various countries or the mass of bureaucracy involved with many control systems with the apparent ease of access to firearms by criminals and terrorists.” 3
    Fact: Even if we examine just firearm ownership and firearm homicide by country, we see no correlation between the two. 4
    Fact: Switzerland has relatively lenient gun control for Europe 5, and has the third-lowest homicide rate of the top nine major European countries, and the same per capita rate as England and Wales. 6
    Fact: Indeed, the Swiss basically have a military rifle in nearly every closest. “Everybody who has served in the army is allowed to keep their personal weapon, even after the end of their military service.” 7
    Fact: “We don’t have as many guns [in Brazil] as the United States, but we use them more.” 8 Brazil has mandatory licensing, registration, and maximum personal ownership quotas. It now bans any new sales to private citizens. Their homicide rate is almost three (3) times higher than the U.S. 9
    Fact: In Canada around 1920, before there was any form of gun control, their homicide rate was 7% of the U.S rate. By 1986, and after significant gun control legislation, Canada’s homicide rate was 35% of the U.S. rate – a significant increase. 10 In 2003, Canada had a violent crime rate more than double that of the U.S. (963 vs. 475 per 100,000). 11
    Fact: One study of Canadian firearm law and homicide rates spanning 34 years “failed to demonstrate a beneficial association between legislation and firearm homicide rates” for three major gun control bills.
    And so on.
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    June 13, 2016 8:22:46 PM PDT
    Feel free to move. If I post facts that destroy yours will that change your mind? Obviously not. That what liberals do. They preach tolerance and acceptance as long as it is the other side bending and adjusting. Liberals don't know how to compromise.
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    June 14, 2016 9:20:31 AM PDT
    Of course, I can reiterate and repudiate your facts .My motivation is not to “destroy” your facts. My motivation is to dispel the half-truths. Personally, I feel the half-truths begin with Sarah Palin and the Republican Party embraced these half-truths.
    Oh by the way, as for “Liberals don't know how to compromise.” I seem to recall republicans meeting in a Washington steakhouse planning on how they would deal with the new Obama administration. “Among them were Senate power brokers Jim DeMint, Jon Kyl and Tom Coburn, and conservative congressmen Eric Cantor, Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan. After three hours of strategizing, they decided they needed to fight Obama on everything.” However, you speak of compromise.
    Very interesting and sad.
    “A half truth is a whole lie”
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    June 14, 2016 10:41:44 AM PDT
    And the liberals do the same thing yet they get a pass. Give me a fricken' break.

    I don't support open borders, illegal immigration, giving endless benefits to people who won't work, giving benefits to illegals and their children, letting criminals out of prison, and I'm for the 2nd Amendment.

    Obviously, this goes against the left. I might support a good liberal candidate but that certainly is not Hillary Clinton. She should be in jail and unable to run but she could very well be elected to the office of President.
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    June 14, 2016 12:12:10 PM PDT
    2Grands said:
    “I might support a good liberal candidate but that certainly is not Hillary Clinton.”
    Now as you journey from the dark side into the light, I will continue to assist you in your endeavor.
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    June 16, 2016 8:39:09 AM PDT
    Wesada, if your goal is to dispel half truths, why is it you only find fault with those on the right?
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    June 16, 2016 8:59:09 AM PDT
    The left can only bash away at the right as their candidate is awful, possibly facing jail time - yet the idiots still support her.
    I like how many people have bought into Trump is racist, hate women, etc yet it is all fraudulent information. His ex wives praise him, he worked with people of all colors and races for most of his life. Just shows ignorance. Reminds me of blacks voting Democrat yet the party they support keeps them down. Poor, blissful, ignorant fools.
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    June 16, 2016 9:30:20 AM PDT
    dpietz said:
    “Wesada, if your goal is to dispel half truths, why is it you only find fault with those on the right?”
    I apologized. Let me add, I find fault with half-truths from the left and the right. I’m neither republican nor democrat. I prefer to vote my conscience and for the best available candidate at the time.
    What I don’t like is the blatant effort to deceive. I have surmised this comes more from the right than left. The stance that data from any source except from the right is a conspiracy to deceive the population is not entirely factual. Yes, it does exist; however, a person has a mind. I tend to use mine.
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    June 16, 2016 9:34:51 AM PDT
    dpietz: Case on point -

    "The left can only bash away at the right as their candidate is awful, possibly facing jail time - yet the idiots still support her.
    I like how many people have bought into Trump is racist, hate women, etc yet it is all fraudulent information. His ex wives praise him, he worked with people of all colors and races for most of his life. Just shows ignorance. Reminds me of blacks voting Democrat yet the party they support keeps them down. Poor, blissful, ignorant fools. "

    I choose not to be ignorant and do the work. Research that is.
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    June 16, 2016 10:47:09 AM PDT
    wesada said:
     I choose not to be ignorant and do the work. Research that is.
    Good job! I held out hope you wouldn't support Obama's 3rd term. 
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    June 16, 2016 11:28:54 AM PDT
    Although hope is a good thing, I try not to dwell on hope. And you are always welcome to come into the light.
    “Do not give up, the beginning is always the hardest.”

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    June 16, 2016 7:54:02 PM PDT
    TRUMP IS THE PERFECT REPUBLICAN

    Hates The Poor

    Hates Women

    Hates Brown People

    Warmonger

    Worships The Rich

    Doesn't Believe In Science


    Americans Against The Republican Party
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    June 17, 2016 9:00:19 AM PDT

    How conservatives and liberals think differently:

     


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    June 17, 2016 12:34:18 PM PDT
    Gun Control is hard, so let's focus on "realistic" goals like building giant walls, banning an entire faith and deporting 11 million people [workers].

    Kevin M. Kruse
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    June 17, 2016 12:57:24 PM PDT
    Once again, can't think for yourself?

    Mexico has built a wall to keep out foreigners - why don't you say something there?
    President Obama, your hero, has given american tax dollars to Yemen to build a wall. He's building a wall elsewhere with your money and ridiculing people who want one here to protect Americans. Instead being a responsible adult and protecting your family and yourself, you want everyone else punished because of your passive, timid behavior. Criminals will always find a way.

    Banning a faith? The one that has several groups that have declared war on America?
    Have you listened to Muslim experts or just Hillary and Obama? It is obvious the latter.
    I guess declaring allegiance to ISIS and killing Americans means we better take guns from law-abiding citizens.

    If you secure the border, cut off benefits, and deport a few there will be a great many leave on their own. Why do YOU tolerate illegal criminals getting free benefits on the backs of the American taxpayer.
    They way we're doing it right now isn't working under our Democratic leadership - but that's none of my business as long as I keep providing my tax dollars.

    Is this where I start calling you names, quietwolf? You better go make another batch of liberal Kool-Aid as it is supposed to start getting hot again.
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    June 17, 2016 6:44:03 PM PDT
    Well actually, the "Mexican/Guatemalan” wall is a wall of the west bank of Israel. See http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48236#.V2SkKMr6sdU
    Also, it’s not Yemen that’s building a wall, it’s Saudi Arabia. However, I guess we are paying for that too.
    Aren’t those born in America citizens that are radicalizing?
    Tolerate illegal criminals getting, maybe if we deal with citizens getting benefits. “The U.S. Social Security Administration estimated that in 2013 undocumented immigrants—and their employers—paid $13 billion in payroll taxes alone for benefits they will never get. They can receive schooling and emergency medical care, but not welfare or food stamps.” Google: Center for Immigration Studies
    No kool-aid needed.
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    June 17, 2016 8:15:33 PM PDT
    tsk, those nasty facts again. LOL
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    June 17, 2016 9:39:08 PM PDT
    I got bad news for you. Illegals, especially in California, are getting healthcare, schooling, driver license, welfare, and food stamps.

    I know this to be 100% true. Furthermore, Obama is giving funds to Syrian refugees coming here.
    You better check your facts and wake up.

    You can keep your doctor.......
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    June 17, 2016 10:00:03 PM PDT
    " I got bad news for you. Illegals, especially in California, are getting healthcare, schooling, driver license, welfare, and food stamps.”
    I can’t argue with that; http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/08/26/jerry-brown-to-mexican-illegals-you-re-all-welcome-in-ca/
    Of course Syrian immigrants are funded in some part by the government. Most immigrants are funded in some part by the government. Many citizens are funded by the governments.
    No. Adderall needs a doctor prescription.

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    June 18, 2016 9:11:47 AM PDT
    Wesada, on the question if more people were armed at the night club would fewer people would have been killed. Yes, responsible CCW's only shoot when they can verify their target. You forgot that there was three hours for all of this carnage.

    As to the IRS estimation of 13 billion contributed by illegal’s and their employers, what did they use for this estimation since the majority worked under the table and if this estimation is correct, look at all of the jobs they are taking. This is the same IRS that says billion are bein paid to illegal’s under the work tax credit and they can’t do anything to stop it. Please don’t give me the line they only take jobs no one else will do since they are employed in just about every work place. Here is an article that states in California illegal’s cost 25 billion a year for all of the benefits they get and this is only one state. That is more than the 20 billion California that was supposedly cut to balance the budget. Illegals are not supposed to receive welfare, but they do.
    http://www.fairus.org/news/illegal-immigration-costs-california-taxpayers-more-than-25-billion-a-year-finds-fair

    Obama has changed the status of the Muslim immigrants to refugee and they have a green card, cash assistance and full benefits.


    The lasted shooter was born in America and was radicalized by his parents and the mosque he attended. As to the vetting of Muslim immigrants, the CIA and the FB! have all stated we cannot vet them and they don't know who is coming into this country. The latest is a Somali that is accused of torture and murder that is working for DSH. Trump said to stop all muslim immigration until they can be vetted. He has even further clarified this statement.


    One thing I do not hear from all of those that are so horrified by those that are against illegal immigration and for the enforcement of our immigration laws is what made America great. America is great because it was a melting pot. That means those from Europe that fought for centuries came over here and left that hate in Europe as they assimilated. Now, some champion bringing all of that hatred, prejudice, distrust and other cultural problems here and call it multi-culture, instead of embracing what has worked for hundreds of years here, out of many one. It’s assimilation that will bring people together; embracing what they have in common, separate cultures and language is what divides. These are historical facts that can’t be disputed.