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Syrian Muslim refugees to resettle in our area

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    June 17, 2015 10:07:41 PM PDT

    The Obama administration has supplied money and arms to Syria's rebel's to help them overthrow the government. As a consequence there are millions of muslim refugees, many of them terrorists.

     

    So Obama is now bringing tens of thousands of them to America (go figure) and some of them will be resettled to our area. It seems there is 11 areas in California that will get them and Plumas Lake is one of those areas!

     

    Please take a look at the link below:

     

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/syrian-muslims-arriving-now-in-these-u-s-cities/

     

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    June 18, 2015 9:29:23 AM PDT
    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. It never ends with this b------
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    June 18, 2015 9:45:16 AM PDT
    I suggest a review of Machiavelli's Discourse on LIvy regarding how to treat a defeated population or an invaded nation. The U.S. record, in my opinion, has not been too good regarding treatment of defeated armies. Native Americans? Still not assimilated. WW II Displaced persons? Pretty much died off. Including the Nazis who were not screened that well. Warner VonBraun? Hmong? Vietnamese?
    My opinion about immigrants? Find a place in our society and help them blend in. Syrians? Some highly educated people in the group. Put them to work in their professions. Not so well educated? Replace the Mexican ag workers who are here on work visas.
    Internationally, the boat people trying to get into Europe? How would you treat them? How would you want to be treated if you were a boat person?
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    June 18, 2015 11:28:52 AM PDT
    Dick:
    Can you further explain how we've done a poor job at treating defeated people?
    We've given American taxpayer dollars in boatloads and rebuilt countries. Look what we did for Japan after WW2. In Vietnam, we didn't win. The people that have come here got handouts so I'm not sure we can say we've not given them opportunity. The Laotians/Hmongs tell me they are grateful for the opportunities America presented. A former co-worker's parents came from Germany where he fought for the Nazis. The were grateful to come to America. On the surface I disagree but that doesn't mean I'm right.
    Another argument, as in WWII, is we didn't start the war - we finished it. Why is it up to American to take care of people who's own leaders got them in trouble? Using this argument, America owed Japan nothing as they attacked us.
    If Obama ticks off the Russians and they beat us is it them their responsibility to take care of us?
    I'm missing something. Please explain.
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    June 18, 2015 12:56:47 PM PDT
    My thought is that this is just what we need is possible ISIS terrorists being located this close to Beale AFB. Not saying they are terrorists, but I'm sure our government doesn't know if they are either or maybe that's why they are being put here. Seems this pres can't do enough to destroy our once great nation!!

    DickBoyd, My thought would be, why do we need to bring any defeated population here, after all it's war? Or for that matter, why should we allow any immigrants into this country if they don't have money to support themselve's and benefit us or if they don't have skills that we need?
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    June 18, 2015 2:07:38 PM PDT
    Didn't Obama run on "Hope and Change"? What he meant was "I hope I can Change this great Nation" and he seems to being doing just that.

    To have these people located so very close to Beale bothers me greatly.
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    June 18, 2015 2:31:24 PM PDT
    My next question would be, is our Board of Supervisors aware of this situation and if so, what are they doing to assure that they are not radicals or ISIS? Or are they just letting the feds shove these people down our throats without a word said?
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    June 18, 2015 9:43:55 PM PDT
    We should run down and pry that pesky plaque off the front of the statue of liberty, and put one up that says "send us your wealthy educated individual"
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    June 18, 2015 10:51:42 PM PDT
    itsjustferkicks said:
    We should run down and pry that pesky plaque off the front of the statue of liberty, and put one up that says "send us your wealthy educated individual"

    Might as well, they don't come in that way any more and doesn't really apply today. Now they just come across the border at will, with their diseases, drugs, etc., with hands out.

     

    The "pesky plaque" was not part of the original statue, as it was added in 1903 and is a poem written by Emma Lazarus called The New Colossus. It's not like it's part of our constitution!

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    June 19, 2015 7:26:19 AM PDT
    I apologise for the snidness of my comment. I do understand the plaques origin, and why it was put up. I just feel that the meaning of the words and the history and how it still should apply today should not be forgotten.
    Back when 911, it happened my brother lived in corning not far from the airport. Turns out two guys were taking flying lessons there. They were conected to the 911 incident. They were here legally, with passports, and had jobs. There is no place that is going to be risk free. Ever.

    I think most of us are of mixed heritage. I am native american on my fathers side and Sweedish and German on the other. A huge number of us right here have imagrated. Though I hear nasty comments all the time about the "foreiners" Right here in our own community. Those Foreiners are the only reason there is anything more than meth and poverty up here.
    My husbands family came here in the 60's. His father was a mechanic. They came from the Phillipines, and it took everything they had to move. They had almost nothing after the move.They ended up in San Francisco, he had been a contactor for the military, working on Navel boats and when he got here he washed dishs at one of the hospitals. The family lived in a 2 bedroom apartment in the tenderloin, all 7 of them. Today one of his sisters works for a non profit medical center in Frisco, and was studying medicin. The other was a social worker in Seattle Wa. The other Is an office manager for A large firm In Tacoma. His brother is an I.T. guy for a small outfit in Frisco, and my man Was a Superindtendant for a large construction out fit out of Santa cruz for 20 + years. Can you immagin if they had been turned away at the gate when they were Children what thier lives would have been. We all know the state of the phillipines.
    Maybe the issue immigration is closer to home for me and I have a different view because it has affected my family directly.

    Im aware of the poem, and why the plaque was put up. Its sad now, we no longer want lady liberty to be a beacon of hope.
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    June 19, 2015 7:30:11 AM PDT
    i apologise for my spelling
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    June 19, 2015 11:56:05 AM PDT
    itsjustferkicks, Thank you for the apology and I likewise apologize for any misunderstanding. I could sense that you didn't like my comment, so let me clarify a little.

    I am not against legal immigration, how ever, I am sick and tired of our government allowing anything with two legs run across the border illegally so they can get more votes (Democrats) or cheap labor (Republicans). They bring drugs, diseases, guns and crime with them, while destroying citizens private property, by cutting fences and scattering litter, among other things when coming here. Then when they get here (a lot, not all) expect the tax payers to give them free medical care, free dental care, free food, free education and a welfare check to boot. Then on top of that, they want to claim they have rights (which they don't), speak their foreign language, wave their foreign flags and bad mouth the United States about how bad it is. Some are even here for the destruction of the U.S. (terrorists).

    The way it used to be, which I have no problem with, is they would apply to come here legally. They came for an opportunity at a better life, not a hand out. They wanted to learn our language, learn our customs, fly our flag and become Americans. They were also checked for diseases and what their intentions were. That is when the Statue of Liberty actually meant something, in my humble opinion.

    God only knows what these Syrian muslims intentions are that are being flown over here by Obama at tax payer expense. What I do know is, they are being resettled in mostly white Christian neighborhoods, while the Syrian Christians are left to be slaughtered by ISIS back in their country.
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    June 19, 2015 2:49:37 PM PDT
    Our society is so focused on diversity that it has separated itself into so many diverse groups based on race, heritage, and sexual orientation that there is no United States culture.
    There is nothing to assimilate into.
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    June 20, 2015 11:06:21 AM PDT
    2Grands said:
    Dick: Can you further explain how we've done a poor job at treating defeated people? We've given American taxpayer dollars in boatloads and rebuilt countries. Look what we did for Japan after WW2. In Vietnam, we didn't win. The people that have come here got handouts so I'm not sure we can say we've not given them opportunity. The Laotians/Hmongs tell me they are grateful for the opportunities America presented. A former co-worker's parents came from Germany where he fought for the Nazis. The were grateful to come to America. On the surface I disagree but that doesn't mean I'm right. Another argument, as in WWII, is we didn't start the war - we finished it. Why is it up to American to take care of people who's own leaders got them in trouble? Using this argument, America owed Japan nothing as they attacked us. If Obama ticks off the Russians and they beat us is it them their responsibility to take care of us? I'm missing something. Please explain.

    "...poor job of treating defeated people?..." We, the people of the United States have done a great job in the way we react to defeated people, in my opinion. Our leaders, on the other hand, have a mixed record. General Pershing? General Marshall? General Patton? Tailgunner Joe McArthy? Treatment of Jewish "boat people" in the lead up to WWII. The treaty that ended The Great War (WWI). A treaty which, in my opinion, created Adolph Hitler. Oppressive repatriation terms that led to election of a socialist regime that morphed into the Nazi party. Treatment of Japan after WWII? General MacArthur's occupation guidance. W. Edwards Deming statistical methods. Adopted by Japan, igonored by America. Until Japan began to eat our lunch industrially. Laotions, Hmong. Did they stay in the original US locations, or did they move to more concentrated areas after they lived in the US for a few years? Watts? Midwest? Watermen? I think we could learn a lot about farming from the Hmong if we gave them a chance to teach us. Indian Casinos, reservations? Tobacco sales?

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    June 20, 2015 11:09:17 AM PDT
    If a tree falls in the forest and Fox News is not there to report it, is Obama still at fault?
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    June 20, 2015 11:16:55 AM PDT
    Internal immigration. WWII resulted in internal immigration in the US. "Minority" groups moved from the deep south to the "North". Detroit, Kaiser shipyards, defense plants. Cotton pickers became factory workers. Women joined the workforce. I remember some of the friction that resulted. Revisionist history says city riots and civil unrest never happened.
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    June 20, 2015 11:25:46 AM PDT
    Difference between a Visa and immigration? Most Visas are visit permits. Limited to a short period of time and for a specific purpose. Non immigration visas allow employers to hire foreigners for temporary work. The abuse, in my opinion, comes from employers, not the visa holder, not the immigrant. Professional engineers were displaced by importing foreign professionals for lower wages. Richard Tax. Irwin Feerst and others led the effort to reform Visa abuses. But the abuses were not corrected. The abuses became worse. Why should an American spend six years to get a PhD in advanced physics and not be able to find employment in the research or academic field?
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    June 20, 2015 2:24:41 PM PDT
    NIMBY prevails again. Where would you have them resettled? Zanzabar? Blyth? Can't do Los Alamitos or Santa Anita because they are race tracks now.... Get a grip sheesh.

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    It does say send me WASP. Refugees come in all the time all over the world, they only difference here is some are muslim and instead of a "red scare" we have a "Middle east scare." I thought this type of nonsense had died out.
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    June 20, 2015 4:56:13 PM PDT
    Wolf, thank you for your sane, sensitive and competent posting.

    Kibbles -
    In the future, before you decide to stir up controversy and fear-mongering in our back yard, why don't you get your facts straight?!

    First off, the information and numbers that you cite are outrageously exaggerated and erroneous –
    “Almost all of the (Syrian) refugees have settled in the neighboring nations of Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt. The U.S. has accepted fewer than 900 Syrians as refugees since 2011.
    Some say the U.S. should dramatically increase the number of refugees it accepts to at least 65,000, but so far the Obama administration has made a much smaller commitment.
    In February, Jen Psaki, then a State Department spokeswoman, said: “We’re likely to admit 1,000 to 2,000 Syrian refugees for permanent resettlement in fiscal year 2015 and a somewhat higher number, though still in the low thousands, in fiscal year 2016.”
    Assistant Secretary of State Anne Richard said the same thing in April.”

    Second, what’s the core problem that you have with this – Is it the “Muslim” or “Syrian” part? Do you automatically equate these people to terrorism and ISIS? Did you ever stop and think that there might be Syrian Muslims already residing in our county and that your post is offensive and hurtful to them?

    Third, as for the Beale security concerns, these are valid if there were the exagerated number you claim. I trust that our military will be on top of this, don't you?

    Finally, if previous generations of Americans abided by some of the thinking and sabre-shaking expressed above, many of our early family members would not have ever settled herec- We’re a country built from immigrants that come in all shapes, sizes, colors, religions and ethics – There are bad seeds and good seeds in every immigrant group . Stop cherry-picking some bygone ideal and stop picking on people in general! Good grief!

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    June 20, 2015 5:04:12 PM PDT
    One other factoid to stop all the hand wringing:

    "As of April 30, California, Illinois and Texas have had the most Syrians resettled in their states this fiscal cycle, with 79, 78 and 77 admissions, respectively."

    Hardly an invasion, nor a big expense...
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    June 20, 2015 10:19:20 PM PDT
    In my opinion, we don't need to be letting any of these Syrians into our country. Number one, they are Muslim and we are a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles. Number two, their stated goal is to kill all infidels (non believers) and set up a system of sharia law. Which is basically, women are to walk so many paces behind the man, woman eat after the man, women are stoned to death or set on fire for cheating on a man, women cannot go out in public without their husband or male relative and they must be covered (including head) at all times. Homosexuals are to be killed, theives get their hands chopped off and these are just some of the highlights of sharia law. Their system doesn't gel with ours. Number three, these are not immigrants, these are combatants and refugees of war and a certain number blend in with the rest with the intention of destroying the United States.

    You can down play their numbers and over look their aims all you want at your own peril. What I would say to that is, ask the dead and maimed from the World Trade Center what they think? Ask the dead and maimed from the Boston Marathon what they think? Ask the dead and maimed from Fort Hood what they think and these are just a few examples of their compassion and humanity.

    Up to 10,000 Muslims are to be brought in this year with an expected 75,000 in the next 5 years, however as with the illegals Obama isn't saying how many will be brought here. Please check out links below.
    http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/secret-planting-of-up-to-75000-syrian-muslims-begins-in-u-s/
    http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/minnesota-muslims-brutally-honest-we-want-shariah/

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    June 21, 2015 3:11:03 AM PDT
    YubaFoothillsProgress said: Kibbles - In the future, before you decide to stir up controversy and fear-mongering in our back yard, why don't you get your facts straight?!
    Regress- Hope I don't hurt any of your sensitive feelings, but here are some more of my facts I don't have straight, it seems since the early 1990's we have already taken in approx. 100,000 Somalis who are 99.9% Muslim and 115,000 Iraqis that are 62% Muslim, plus the 75,000 mentioned previously.
    http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/u-n-to-dump-flood-of-muslim-refugees-on-u-s/
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    June 21, 2015 6:49:19 AM PDT
    Well, that about sums it all up:

    “…we are a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles.”

    I now understand the source of your prejudices, fears and falsehoods.
    I should have as much.

    Thanks and good luck!
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    June 21, 2015 6:49:59 AM PDT
    CXN: I should have known as much.
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    June 21, 2015 8:48:53 AM PDT
    Perhaps when the media starts reporting and stops speculating we can make better decisions.
    There is not one source of media that can be trusted. It seems, gone are the days of investigative reporting. No more just the facts. One fact then opinion and speculation.

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    June 21, 2015 9:02:06 AM PDT
    Dear folks, our country was basically founded on Freedom, the Constitution says Freedom of Religion, not Christianity! Many of the laws and beliefs that you mention being Muslim very much parallel Christianity and other patriarchs. It's about controlling the masses, keeping women in their place, promoting power and money all in the name of God or Allah. Yes our country has an infection and it's called BLAME. You can blame Obama, blame the Mexicans, the Muslims, the uppity women, the gays, it just doesn't end! We are our own worst enemy and we need to start from within by changing ourselves.
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    June 21, 2015 9:12:30 AM PDT
    SRBrewer -
    Wonderful post!
    Thanks!
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    June 21, 2015 12:24:14 PM PDT
    Everyone have a great and blessed Father's Day!!
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    June 21, 2015 11:24:35 PM PDT
    In my opinion we are doing a disservice to that country.
    There are less people to fight for their country/cause.

    65,000 or 2,000 they should be standing up for themselves and their country.

    I know some will be like women/children can't fight, hogwash think "Rosie the Riveter".
    They could support those who are fighting.

    If this was happening in our country would you run or fight?
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    June 22, 2015 4:25:54 AM PDT
    Really thoughtful post...
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    June 22, 2015 6:08:43 AM PDT
    Thanks YFP,
    I had a hunch You would like it.
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    June 22, 2015 2:29:04 PM PDT
    DickBoyd said:
    If a tree falls in the forest and Fox News is not there to report it, is Obama still at fault?

    OmG Dick....this has got to be the best post from you....EVER.  I love it.  And the best part is.....it could be from either side, right?  I love it.  Can I use it?  Pretty please?

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    June 22, 2015 2:40:47 PM PDT
    srbrewer said:
    Dear folks, our country was basically founded on Freedom, the Constitution says Freedom of Religion, not Christianity! Many of the laws and beliefs that you mention being Muslim very much parallel Christianity and other patriarchs. It's about controlling the masses, keeping women in their place, promoting power and money all in the name of God or Allah. Yes our country has an infection and it's called BLAME. You can blame Obama, blame the Mexicans, the Muslims, the uppity women, the gays, it just doesn't end! We are our own worst enemy and we need to start from within by changing ourselves.

    Well put!  I wish more people felt the same way.  It is sad to day to see so many negative people.  I know there is more wrong than we could discuss in one sitting, and even less ways to fix them.  It saddens me.  I don't want these people here either.  Does that make me bad?  I try to look at life through their eyes and I am so greatful that I do not have to live life in their shoes.  I remember when I was a teenager and the vietnamese came to our neighborhood.  I know they were scared and I know that the neighborhood resented their strange culture.  Things are so different these days.  I am proud that we can be a safe place for these doomed people, but I wish that we could send them back at some point.  I think Americans (tax paying Americans anyway) are getting tired of paying for everyone.  I'm just plain tired. 

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    June 22, 2015 3:20:18 PM PDT
    Roxy said:
    DickBoyd said:
    If a tree falls in the forest and Fox News is not there to report it, is Obama still at fault?

    OmG Dick....this has got to be the best post from you....EVER.  I love it.  And the best part is.....it could be from either side, right?  I love it.  Can I use it?  Pretty please?

    I don't know where it came from. The first version was along the lines of "If a man makes a decision in the forest and their is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong?"

    Politically correct? Absolutely not.

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    June 22, 2015 3:28:50 PM PDT
    YubaFoothillsProgress said:
    Well, that about sums it all up: “…we are a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles.” I now understand the source of your prejudices, fears and falsehoods. I should have as much. Thanks and good luck!
    YFRegress, Likewise your statement says a lot about your prejudices, fears and falsehoods. What I don't understand, is how someone that lives in a country with it's culture and benefits from it, can root for it's demise. While at the same time blindly supporting a culture with some of it's members that want to kill anyone that doesn't believe as they do.
    However, because our country was founded on the principles you are paranoid of, it is your right to feel and speak as you wish.
    Personally, I love our country the way it has been for almost 240 years and don't want it to change. I don't want to see it turned into a violent third world country like the one these resettled people came from and see no reason to force these people on our citizens, so the politicians can get votes or cheap labor.
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    June 22, 2015 3:54:13 PM PDT
    Marshall Plan. Noble Peace Prize 1953 "...assist in the normal economic health in the world..." A big change from reparations required of Germany as a result of WWI "peace treaties". Charles Gates Dawes had also won a Noble Peace Prize in 1925 for reducing tensions between Germany and France. Those reparations negotiated by Dawes were replaced by the Young Plan. The lesson learned was that reparations can ruin a country. Later Senator "Tailgunner Joe" McCarthy attacked General Marshall as a communist. Is there a need to review our U.S. history? Is it cheaper in the long run to rebuild our enemies, converting them to allies? Or should we attempt to beat them into submission? Hold your friends close, but your enemies even closer?
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    June 22, 2015 4:03:10 PM PDT
    Prejudices change constantly. At first it was "Irish need not apply, Not welcome etc." One of the big issues with JFK was he was not just Catholic, but he was Irish on top of it. We've had the Native American Fiasco, lands promised them and then snatched away again with reservations still set up today. Read up on Generational PTSD and see why financial restitution isn't the answer(aside from it being woefully inadequate). We've run the gambit from this countries own Native People, to white settlers (Irish, Scots, Welsh, etc.), Blacks (including post slavery), Women, Chinese, Japanese, Roma(gypsies), Sikih, Jews, Muslims, etc.) You love the country is for 240 years then you shouldn't have a problem with resettled people in the U.S. because that is what made the U.S. is resettled people from around the world. And now the assumption is because they are from a different country if we left them in our nation will become a third world country because they will some how "contaminate" the United States. These people are not being forced on our citizenry. So I ask again, if not here then where. Should we be asking the question Scrooge did? "Are there no work houses, no prisons...?" Are there no more camps we can build for them?? That isn't the America I have lived in or live in today.
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    June 22, 2015 5:16:38 PM PDT
    Wolf said:
    Prejudices change constantly. At first it was "Irish need not apply, Not welcome etc." One of the big issues with JFK was he was not just Catholic, but he was Irish on top of it. We've had the Native American Fiasco, lands promised them and then snatched away again with reservations still set up today. Read up on Generational PTSD and see why financial restitution isn't the answer(aside from it being woefully inadequate). We've run the gambit from this countries own Native People, to white settlers (Irish, Scots, Welsh, etc.), Blacks (including post slavery), Women, Chinese, Japanese, Roma(gypsies), Sikih, Jews, Muslims, etc.) You love the country is for 240 years then you shouldn't have a problem with resettled people in the U.S. because that is what made the U.S. is resettled people from around the world. And now the assumption is because they are from a different country if we left them in our nation will become a third world country because they will some how "contaminate" the United States. These people are not being forced on our citizenry. So I ask again, if not here then where. Should we be asking the question Scrooge did? "Are there no work houses, no prisons...?" Are there no more camps we can build for them?? That isn't the America I have lived in or live in today.
    First, you seem to be confusing people being resettled here by our government, with people that immigrated here under our immigration system, big difference between the two.
    Secondly, I have a big problem people being resettled here that do not want to assimilate into our culture and seek to kill us and change our system of government. Once again I have no problem with people immigrating here legally through our system, be they black, white, chinese, sikh, jewish or any other race, as long as they come here to speak our language and join our culture. Otherwise, they should stay in the lovely countries they came from.
    Thirdly, You are mistaken these people are being forced on us by our current government, a majority want less immigration not more and a huge majority want illegal immigration stopped. Please take at look at this link, it has immigration poll results from across the political spectrum. http://www.fairus.org/facts/legal-immigration-polls
    What do you mean if not here were? How bout they stay where they are, the U.S. is not supposed to be the U.N.'s dumping ground for all the people who's own countries don't want them. If they desire to become an American, they can apply like everyone else!!
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    June 22, 2015 5:24:09 PM PDT
    Wolf, the big issue I had with JFK was his EXTRAMARITAL RELATIONSHIPS. And, I had voted for that stinker.
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    June 22, 2015 5:29:29 PM PDT
    DickBoyd said:
    If a tree falls in the forest and Fox News is not there to report it, is Obama still at fault?
    About time someone shined the light on Fox News, anyone that's been watching CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, ETC., knows we have virtually no unemployment, the economy is booming, the national debt is dropping like a rock, the middle class is growing and the deficit spending is a thing of the past. Besides, had those Fox viewers been listening they would know it's the Republicans fault anyway, even if we did have any of those issues (which we don't).
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    June 22, 2015 6:13:56 PM PDT
    Thanks kibbefolks for sharing the fairus.org website. Pretty darn interesting information about immigrants both legal and illegal.
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    June 23, 2015 8:32:28 AM PDT
    Dick Boyd, Im surprised at your post 34. The ORIGINAL of this question is not a joke, but a philosophical or physical question. More info? Check out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forest
    This is a bit off topic of this thread, but interesting.
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    June 23, 2015 9:52:17 AM PDT
    Here are a few stories to stimulate the conversation on immigration.

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/dhs-caught-busing-in-illegal-somalis-from-mexican-border/

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/yes-there-are-no-go-zones-in-europe/#!

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/after-obama-action-dhs-sets-new-immigration-rules-drunk-drivers-sex-abusers-drug-dealers-gun-offenders-not-top-deportation-priorities/article/2556517#!

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/381362/study-all-employment-growth-2000-went-immigrants-nro-staff#!

    http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/02/poll-shows-noncitizens-can-shape-elections/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningbell&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRogu6vNZKXonjHpfsX54uwkW6W%2BhYkz2EFye%2BLIHETpodcMRMRqPa%2BTFAwTG5toziV8R7jHKM1t0sEQWBHm

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/census-record-51-million-immigrants-in-8-years-will-account-for-82-of-u.s.-growth/article/2563463

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/14/feds-releasing-illegal-immigrant-rapists-murderers/
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    June 23, 2015 1:21:35 PM PDT
    dpietz, Thank you for your links concerning muslim immigrants. I have previously read most of them, but they should be enlightening for anyone unaware of what's going on and the trouble caused by them.

    Though some posters have suggested that the muslims can't "contaminate" the United States, that is simply not true. They have caused lots of trouble all across Europe and other places in their quest to dominate. Even though these countries thought they were so tolerant and enlightened, they are thinking otherwise now. There are now muslim areas that are no go zones for the local citizens and these areas are now under sharia law. They no longer recognize the laws of the host country!

    Not to mention the tens of thousands we are getting are being dumped on us by our own government.
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    June 23, 2015 2:55:37 PM PDT
    At NationalReport I just read that the city Council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to become the first US city to fully implement Sharia Law. This supposedly took place in about 2013. Anyone know if this is true?
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    June 23, 2015 3:14:07 PM PDT
    Thankfully, it looks like that report was a satire piece that NationalReport had according to snopes.com. Please see link:http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp

    However, it is only a matter of time if we continue down our current path!
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    June 23, 2015 3:57:30 PM PDT
    If a tree falls in the forest and CNN takes the opportunity to attack fracking is Pickens still right?
    non sequitur?
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    June 23, 2015 7:15:26 PM PDT
    Do you even understand what a refugee is and what relocation is? They are fleeing their own country because they can not stay there anymore and are looking for another home (unwillingly). No one wakes up one day and says, "Hey you know, this tent just isn't cutting it anymore and the dysentery and starvation and lack of medical care just isn't improving to our standard so why don't we just leave? We only risk death, rape and torture but hey, all in a days living right? I'll miss the old hole in the ground toilet right next to our drinking water but...can't be too picky."

    Now do you get the picture? We just didn't meander and draw a lottery and say you go and you stay, these people were already leaving and for good reason and not by choice-they are being forced to live some where else. As for leaving culture behind, you would not and do not leave your American culture behind when you visit outside of the United States. You demand American Justice on whatever soil you are on regardless if you are right or wrong and get highly offended should that country not say "Never mind us, just do what you will while in our country." Even our soldiers are told "If you can't abide by the cultural rules and local laws, stay on base.

    Send them back to their country where they will be raped, killed, tortured and exploited. Well, you do have a point there, they will obviously get the same consideration from you if they are here because you rather see them mistreated horribly than help in any way. What a good American example. Not!
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    June 23, 2015 7:20:49 PM PDT
    The Signal. Heritage Foundation. Jim Demint, Tea Party. Population forecast based on Census Bureau's American Community Survey. Heritage Foundation, another conservative group employs and sponsors many of the authors of these reports. Who sponsors Heritage? Is there another side to the immigration story?
    From what I see, employers are opting for cheap labor. Either by exporting the job, or by importing cheap labor. I have not seen anything from either conservative groups or liberals to promote job development for U.S. citizens. Electric Utilities in California are using H-1B Visas to import cheaper labor. U.S. citizens that are being displaced are asked to train their replacements. An open question is where will the electric utiity cost savings, if any, go. Will the stockholders, mostly retirement funds, see the savings? Will ratepayers see the savings? Will management see larger bonuses? Action by local governments to promote U.S. jobs? I haven't seen any. I see the opposite. Attack GM on safety issues. Safety issues that, in my opinion, should be laid on Congress. Why Congress? Because Congress fails to act. Other than campaign press releases that portray U.S. companies as bottom feeding crooks.
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    June 24, 2015 12:06:46 AM PDT
    Wolf said:
    Do you even understand what a refugee is and what relocation is? They are fleeing their own country because they can not stay there anymore and are looking for another home (unwillingly). No one wakes up one day and says, "Hey you know, this tent just isn't cutting it anymore and the dysentery and starvation and lack of medical care just isn't improving to our standard so why don't we just leave? We only risk death, rape and torture but hey, all in a days living right? I'll miss the old hole in the ground toilet right next to our drinking water but...can't be too picky." Now do you get the picture? We just didn't meander and draw a lottery and say you go and you stay, these people were already leaving and for good reason and not by choice-they are being forced to live some where else. As for leaving culture behind, you would not and do not leave your American culture behind when you visit outside of the United States. You demand American Justice on whatever soil you are on regardless if you are right or wrong and get highly offended should that country not say "Never mind us, just do what you will while in our country." Even our soldiers are told "If you can't abide by the cultural rules and local laws, stay on base. Send them back to their country where they will be raped, killed, tortured and exploited. Well, you do have a point there, they will obviously get the same consideration from you if they are here because you rather see them mistreated horribly than help in any way. What a good American example. Not!
    I understand full well what a refugee is, however we cannot and should not be the dumping ground for all the downtrodden peoples of the world. They need to take care of their own issues or before you know it, we will be a third world country like the one they are leaving. We tax payers have spent hundreds of billions of dollars and had thousands of our sons and daughters die trying to give them a better life. As with anyone, you can't help those that won't help themselves. Everytime, we try to help them, they turn around, stab us in the back and go right back to the way they were before we were there. It is the only way of life they know and they have been that way for thousands of years.
    I would not expect to change a countries culture, nor would try to. There is a saying, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" that applies here.
    Now a couple of questions for you, what about all the poor and suffering that are left behind? Just how many are we supposed to bring here? Is there any limit in your opinion?
    Why are we leaving nearly all the Christians behind, for them (including women and children) to be slaughtered? Women being raped, children being cut in two, thousand having their heads cut off, if they don't convert to the Muslim faith and submit to sharia law. The Christian people could assimilate to our culture a lot better than the throwback Muslims can, yet they are left to die while we bring some of the very ones responsible for that slaughter to our own country.
    A couple of last questions and then I will cut this off. Do you not understand that these people have vowed to convert the whole world (including America) to the Muslim faith and kill anyone that doesn't convert to the Muslim faith, bow to Allah and submit to sharia law? Do you not understand they will take us back a thousand years if they get a chance? Do you dislike your own country so much that you are willing have it turned into a Syria, Iraq or Iran, just so you could feel tolerant? Because I am not, I love our country just the way it is without all the Muslims that would do us harm and destroy America as we know it!